1 00:00:06,410 --> 00:00:03,889 welcome to tales from the rabbit hole 2 00:00:10,430 --> 00:00:06,420 I'm your host Mick West my guest today 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:10,440 is Michael who I met on Twitter and I'd 4 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:12,090 be talking a lot on Twitter about UFOs 5 00:00:18,140 --> 00:00:15,150 and various different sightings of UFOs 6 00:00:19,340 --> 00:00:18,150 and Michael contacted me and he told me 7 00:00:22,849 --> 00:00:19,350 that he's had some interesting 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:22,859 experiences with what might be aliens 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:24,930 and so we're going to talk about that 10 00:00:30,019 --> 00:00:26,970 today I also noticed that Michael 11 00:00:32,209 --> 00:00:30,029 mentioned queuing on on his is Twitter 12 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:32,219 profile and that's also a subject I'm 13 00:00:36,860 --> 00:00:33,510 kind of interested in and we might talk 14 00:00:38,299 --> 00:00:36,870 about that later on in the podcast let 15 00:00:41,470 --> 00:00:38,309 me just interrupt myself there real 16 00:00:43,790 --> 00:00:41,480 quick the interview ran fairly long so 17 00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:43,800 what I've done is I've split it up so 18 00:00:49,639 --> 00:00:46,230 that this episode is just the UFO stir 19 00:00:51,889 --> 00:00:49,649 and the next episode part two is the cue 20 00:00:53,029 --> 00:00:51,899 and on stuff so if you just a cue it on 21 00:00:54,889 --> 00:00:53,039 person skip this one 22 00:00:59,389 --> 00:00:54,899 and move on to the next one if you like 23 00:01:02,299 --> 00:00:59,399 UFOs stay right here so Michael welcome 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:02,309 to tales from the rabbit hole thank you 25 00:01:06,140 --> 00:01:04,290 glad to be here very excited to be here 26 00:01:10,399 --> 00:01:06,150 yeah no it's gonna be very interesting I 27 00:01:13,070 --> 00:01:10,409 think a lot of people who are interested 28 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:13,080 in the UFO topic and aliens and things 29 00:01:15,590 --> 00:01:13,500 like that 30 00:01:17,929 --> 00:01:15,600 our people have actually had some kind 31 00:01:19,550 --> 00:01:17,939 of personal experience like either 32 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:19,560 they've seen like some kind of flying 33 00:01:23,149 --> 00:01:21,479 craft in the sky or they've had 34 00:01:26,030 --> 00:01:23,159 something that they consider to be some 35 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:26,040 kind of alien contacts or some kind of 36 00:01:30,289 --> 00:01:27,270 contact they don't know what it is 37 00:01:34,219 --> 00:01:30,299 exactly can you tell me a bit about what 38 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:34,229 your your your first experience was with 39 00:01:40,429 --> 00:01:37,530 this type of thing well I I agree with 40 00:01:42,590 --> 00:01:40,439 you 100% there in fact there's a lot of 41 00:01:43,999 --> 00:01:42,600 people also that are very interested in 42 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:44,009 the topic that haven't had any 43 00:01:48,469 --> 00:01:46,200 experience whatsoever and that's bizarre 44 00:01:49,999 --> 00:01:48,479 to me I mean I believe of course there's 45 00:01:51,590 --> 00:01:50,009 life in the universe and all that but 46 00:01:54,020 --> 00:01:51,600 unless you have an experience it seems 47 00:01:56,660 --> 00:01:54,030 too strange to believe that it could be 48 00:01:57,740 --> 00:01:56,670 real you know yes but there's lots of 49 00:01:58,850 --> 00:01:57,750 evidence when you talk about those 50 00:02:02,209 --> 00:01:58,860 things 51 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:02,219 my earliest memory that I have and I 52 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:04,110 don't have I don't have a lot of older 53 00:02:07,069 --> 00:02:05,610 memories that I keep you get older you 54 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:07,079 know you remember the story your mom 55 00:02:09,949 --> 00:02:08,250 told you but you don't have the true 56 00:02:12,110 --> 00:02:09,959 memory of it but there's a few you do 57 00:02:13,949 --> 00:02:12,120 this is one that's I've always had that 58 00:02:17,309 --> 00:02:13,959 it seems like a real memory 59 00:02:21,059 --> 00:02:17,319 it's story and I was little I was 60 00:02:24,990 --> 00:02:21,069 probably two three years old and it was 61 00:02:27,449 --> 00:02:25,000 on a part in a park by a lake and my 62 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:27,459 sister was there and it was one of those 63 00:02:31,349 --> 00:02:29,260 old metal slides that you still would 64 00:02:34,170 --> 00:02:31,359 have the bolting than rust safety wasn't 65 00:02:35,910 --> 00:02:34,180 a concern for kids and we used to throw 66 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:35,920 sand on the slide it would make you go 67 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:38,230 quick and so I come up there with my 68 00:02:42,839 --> 00:02:40,329 little handfuls of sand but I'm scared 69 00:02:45,629 --> 00:02:42,849 once I get on top and my sisters at the 70 00:02:50,069 --> 00:02:45,639 bottom trying to tell me to go and I I 71 00:02:51,569 --> 00:02:50,079 don't I don't want to go and so not not 72 00:02:54,210 --> 00:02:51,579 knowing physics of them look good 73 00:02:55,710 --> 00:02:54,220 I just turned like that like I'm not 74 00:02:57,929 --> 00:02:55,720 going that way and I fall completely off 75 00:03:00,050 --> 00:02:57,939 the slide from the top and cracked my 76 00:03:03,659 --> 00:03:00,060 head and end up in the emergency room 77 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:03,669 mm-hmm and if you look at my banner it's 78 00:03:08,610 --> 00:03:06,489 almost identical to what I saw it was in 79 00:03:11,909 --> 00:03:08,620 a hospital type setting solid white and 80 00:03:14,459 --> 00:03:11,919 three beings just like that we're 81 00:03:15,509 --> 00:03:14,469 looking down at me and Nanea I get a 82 00:03:18,869 --> 00:03:15,519 little nervous I know I've never told 83 00:03:20,490 --> 00:03:18,879 this publicly it was just like a female 84 00:03:21,809 --> 00:03:20,500 voice that said don't worry everything's 85 00:03:24,930 --> 00:03:21,819 gonna be okay and that's about it 86 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:24,940 mm-hmm details of the scene and all that 87 00:03:29,429 --> 00:03:25,870 but that was about it 88 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:29,439 that never happened oh really as far as 89 00:03:35,009 --> 00:03:31,930 my family that never happened yeah 90 00:03:37,530 --> 00:03:35,019 the story the slide and I do have scars 91 00:03:40,349 --> 00:03:37,540 on the back of my head and my mom said 92 00:03:42,899 --> 00:03:40,359 that was from other you know of rustling 93 00:03:44,999 --> 00:03:42,909 around as a kid yeah that's very 94 00:03:46,559 --> 00:03:45,009 interesting that's bizarre that that's a 95 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:46,569 memory like I can recall it any time 96 00:03:51,089 --> 00:03:49,120 that's an old old memory yeah so that 97 00:03:52,559 --> 00:03:51,099 was that's weird so that's a lowland how 98 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:52,569 old would that be do you think old 99 00:03:57,179 --> 00:03:54,370 enough to where I can walk and climb 100 00:03:58,379 --> 00:03:57,189 this tree ish three or maybe climb a 101 00:04:00,240 --> 00:03:58,389 little a ladder 102 00:04:03,030 --> 00:04:00,250 all right yeah we were a lot we were 103 00:04:04,830 --> 00:04:03,040 allowed to do a lot more now yeah but 104 00:04:08,849 --> 00:04:04,840 anyway did that that was one all right 105 00:04:10,890 --> 00:04:08,859 and then throughout my life well it's 106 00:04:12,569 --> 00:04:10,900 not like it happens every day but it's 107 00:04:15,869 --> 00:04:12,579 happened quite a few times is the 108 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:15,879 typical classic abduction bedroom scene 109 00:04:21,330 --> 00:04:19,120 where you wake up you're paralyzed you 110 00:04:23,519 --> 00:04:21,340 could see you got some periphery up but 111 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:23,529 you can't move and then the light kind 112 00:04:27,230 --> 00:04:25,330 of turns blueish and then all of a 113 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:27,240 sudden you're levitating 114 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:28,889 and then there's two to three beings at 115 00:04:32,900 --> 00:04:30,690 the end of the bed like tall greys your 116 00:04:35,059 --> 00:04:32,910 typical classic tall gray and then 117 00:04:35,779 --> 00:04:35,069 sometimes like Home Helpers I don't know 118 00:04:39,589 --> 00:04:35,789 other people have their like little 119 00:04:43,580 --> 00:04:39,599 hooded faceless little things and then 120 00:04:45,740 --> 00:04:43,590 you get wished away all right so that's 121 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:45,750 something that happens and I've looked 122 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:48,930 at and and I like you I want to talk to 123 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:50,580 you cuz it's not like I can prove any of 124 00:04:55,189 --> 00:04:52,530 this so it's not like a debunk thing but 125 00:04:57,740 --> 00:04:55,199 I've looked into sleep paralysis or what 126 00:04:59,689 --> 00:04:57,750 they call a birth memory you know where 127 00:05:01,550 --> 00:04:59,699 you like your distorted view at your 128 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:01,560 your first memory coming out of the womb 129 00:05:04,939 --> 00:05:03,330 and that sort of thing people they think 130 00:05:07,610 --> 00:05:04,949 that could trigger some sort of thing 131 00:05:09,409 --> 00:05:07,620 like that or or is just dreaming or DMT 132 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:09,419 comp or any of that stuff it doesn't 133 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:11,490 seem like that it seems like it's really 134 00:05:14,870 --> 00:05:12,449 happen 135 00:05:17,390 --> 00:05:14,880 all right I don't have to defend that it 136 00:05:21,140 --> 00:05:17,400 seems like everyday to me that's all I 137 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:21,150 can tell you so it's not always clear I 138 00:05:26,330 --> 00:05:24,000 also get the feeling that it happens 139 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:26,340 more than I remember that make sense 140 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:28,860 yeah yeah I guess like see I'm like wait 141 00:05:30,980 --> 00:05:29,310 a minute 142 00:05:33,290 --> 00:05:30,990 and but but the time that I'm talking 143 00:05:34,939 --> 00:05:33,300 about we're very clear so you get kind 144 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:34,949 of a deja vu you think like you feel 145 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:36,180 like you've it's happened before and 146 00:05:42,950 --> 00:05:39,990 when it happens I don't know about I get 147 00:05:45,709 --> 00:05:42,960 deja vu like off-the-chart days deja vu 148 00:05:47,779 --> 00:05:45,719 anyway so much so that I actually tried 149 00:05:48,620 --> 00:05:47,789 to write it down and see if I can see if 150 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:48,630 there's some sort of thing there's 151 00:05:52,969 --> 00:05:51,030 always some small nonsensical thing like 152 00:05:54,709 --> 00:05:52,979 I'm picking up a fork or tying my shoe I 153 00:05:58,850 --> 00:05:54,719 don't have any message or anything like 154 00:06:00,379 --> 00:05:58,860 that yeah yeah I do and also not that I 155 00:06:03,649 --> 00:06:00,389 believe in psychics or anything like 156 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:03,659 that people always say that I'm like 157 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:06,060 that like I would either call very 158 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:10,289 intuitive like lucky and I know that's 159 00:06:14,180 --> 00:06:11,969 the theme too and I'm not saying that to 160 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:14,190 be get estoppel it seems like I just can 161 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:16,409 guess things and it's weird like I don't 162 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:17,880 even tell people that is they it's 163 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:20,880 noticed in my family oh that's that's 164 00:06:23,990 --> 00:06:22,710 Michael doing this thing which is kind 165 00:06:25,459 --> 00:06:24,000 of weird but I don't really that's not 166 00:06:30,230 --> 00:06:25,469 enough like to win the lottery so it's 167 00:06:32,149 --> 00:06:30,240 not working okay yes I'm sort of I guess 168 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:32,159 heightened whether you call it ESP or 169 00:06:35,719 --> 00:06:33,870 heightened sense seems to go along with 170 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:35,729 that it happens to those people too 171 00:06:40,250 --> 00:06:38,490 that's on why I mentioned it yeah so 172 00:06:40,820 --> 00:06:40,260 when was the was the last time that 173 00:06:43,780 --> 00:06:40,830 something 174 00:06:47,750 --> 00:06:43,790 this happened to you it's got to be 175 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:47,760 probably eight years ago Wow this pinko 176 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:50,220 in a while yeah deep what can you 177 00:06:55,460 --> 00:06:51,930 describe what was the last experience 178 00:06:57,650 --> 00:06:55,470 that you had just like that okay so it 179 00:07:02,750 --> 00:06:57,660 was it was it almost like a repeat like 180 00:07:06,110 --> 00:07:02,760 it's the same thing it's the same one 181 00:07:09,170 --> 00:07:06,120 time and by the way and I'm saying this 182 00:07:11,330 --> 00:07:09,180 just to share like I said how can I say 183 00:07:12,620 --> 00:07:11,340 it's it's not the same because the scene 184 00:07:14,630 --> 00:07:12,630 is different or something different 185 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:14,640 happens sometimes you have full clear 186 00:07:18,460 --> 00:07:16,050 memory and sometimes it feels like you 187 00:07:21,710 --> 00:07:18,470 don't but most of the experiences are 188 00:07:23,660 --> 00:07:21,720 neutral to positive meaning it's like 189 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:23,670 these things are robotic like there's no 190 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:25,770 interest there's no harm it's just like 191 00:07:29,780 --> 00:07:27,450 they're doing a thing like I don't feel 192 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:29,790 threatened I know some people feel 193 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:32,010 scared or threatened or that I've never 194 00:07:36,860 --> 00:07:34,260 really felt that way but I also don't 195 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:36,870 feel like the gaming crap whether it was 196 00:07:41,090 --> 00:07:38,850 involved or not either does that make 197 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:41,100 sense like that coming up oh we're gonna 198 00:07:43,910 --> 00:07:42,810 tell you this or oh I'm trying to scare 199 00:07:46,940 --> 00:07:43,920 you it's just like you're coming in 200 00:07:48,110 --> 00:07:46,950 doing it there but one time I didn't 201 00:07:49,790 --> 00:07:48,120 have a negative experience and that's 202 00:07:52,730 --> 00:07:49,800 what I want to tell you so what happens 203 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:52,740 is the blue light kind of calms you you 204 00:07:57,110 --> 00:07:55,110 start to levitate right mm-hmm 205 00:08:01,070 --> 00:07:57,120 you're the paralysis is on your eyes are 206 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:01,080 open and I came unparalleled for 207 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:04,410 whatever reason then so I'm getting a 208 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:06,750 hell out of there I'm like what is going 209 00:08:13,010 --> 00:08:09,120 on and I reach forward naturally and I 210 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:13,020 grabbed an arm and that arm was ice-cold 211 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:16,530 which shocked me and now that my reality 212 00:08:23,390 --> 00:08:19,710 is just spinning and they grabbed me by 213 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:23,400 the net and I just passed out mmm that 214 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:25,110 was the only time that was like I was 215 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:28,110 absolutely the visceral response I 216 00:08:30,890 --> 00:08:29,610 couldn't control myself 217 00:08:33,740 --> 00:08:30,900 it be like seeing a giant talking 218 00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:33,750 alligator standing a frog you what would 219 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:36,960 you do it either pant you know fight or 220 00:08:41,030 --> 00:08:39,030 flight just kicks in I just reacted that 221 00:08:44,150 --> 00:08:41,040 way but that was only one time that I 222 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:44,160 remembered how can you like that yeah so 223 00:08:48,830 --> 00:08:46,110 I guess like the obvious thing with with 224 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:48,840 these experiences is that when you tell 225 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:50,760 them to people it kind of sounds to 226 00:08:54,110 --> 00:08:52,250 other people like you're describing 227 00:08:54,590 --> 00:08:54,120 something that's like a dream or 228 00:08:56,420 --> 00:08:54,600 something 229 00:08:59,240 --> 00:08:56,430 like you know the sleep paralysis type 230 00:09:02,420 --> 00:08:59,250 thing and I I personally have had can 231 00:09:04,340 --> 00:09:02,430 sleep paralysis experiences where I've 232 00:09:06,850 --> 00:09:04,350 been lying in bed and I see these giant 233 00:09:09,769 --> 00:09:06,860 spiders coming down from the ceiling 234 00:09:11,389 --> 00:09:09,779 towards me and then I you know kind of 235 00:09:12,740 --> 00:09:11,399 jump out of bed and I tried to find turn 236 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:12,750 the light on and try to find the spider 237 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:14,970 and it's gone so I've had something like 238 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:16,740 that but obviously I've realized 239 00:09:22,189 --> 00:09:19,920 afterwards that it was you know just a 240 00:09:24,350 --> 00:09:22,199 dream essentially or some kind of losing 241 00:09:27,079 --> 00:09:24,360 it hallucination but for you like you 242 00:09:29,150 --> 00:09:27,089 say like you know it was real that it 243 00:09:31,579 --> 00:09:29,160 because it seemed really real but isn't 244 00:09:33,290 --> 00:09:31,589 that what what people would say who've 245 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:33,300 had these hallucinations like they seem 246 00:09:36,439 --> 00:09:35,250 real is there a tell for when you're 247 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:36,449 telling it well when you're having a 248 00:09:39,590 --> 00:09:37,110 hallucination 249 00:09:41,389 --> 00:09:39,600 yes it's fantastic point that's 250 00:09:42,710 --> 00:09:41,399 obviously you even that's the first 251 00:09:46,340 --> 00:09:42,720 thing is the logical person you start 252 00:09:48,319 --> 00:09:46,350 thinking yourself like what but I think 253 00:09:49,999 --> 00:09:48,329 a dream or a hallucination it's the in 254 00:09:51,499 --> 00:09:50,009 and out that you realize that it was a 255 00:09:52,819 --> 00:09:51,509 dream or hallucination like when you 256 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:52,829 come out of a dream is when you know 257 00:09:56,509 --> 00:09:54,930 that there weren't spiders in my room it 258 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:56,519 doesn't feel like that when you come out 259 00:09:58,460 --> 00:09:56,940 of it 260 00:10:01,999 --> 00:09:58,470 it feels like a memory when you come out 261 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:02,009 of it does that make sense when I come 262 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:04,410 out of here crazy dream of some pink 263 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:06,449 elephant in the room driving a Jeep with 264 00:10:14,509 --> 00:10:09,050 a naked lady in the corner but what 265 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:14,519 dreaming instantly like not what 266 00:10:18,620 --> 00:10:16,170 possible you said well maybe maybe 267 00:10:22,090 --> 00:10:18,630 because it's subject matter but the 268 00:10:24,110 --> 00:10:22,100 vividness and I don't know I don't know 269 00:10:27,050 --> 00:10:24,120 and then when you get back to your life 270 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:27,060 why why would I think that that wouldn't 271 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:28,410 be crazy I don't know I mean it does 272 00:10:32,809 --> 00:10:30,750 seem great in a sense but I don't like 273 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:32,819 any like craziness and the rest of my 274 00:10:37,429 --> 00:10:34,889 life I wouldn't say it's crazy I mean I 275 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:37,439 I have these experiences as well I have 276 00:10:40,939 --> 00:10:38,970 your head I also haven't had one for 277 00:10:44,749 --> 00:10:40,949 many years I think I kind of just felt a 278 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:44,759 no just they faded away somehow and you 279 00:10:47,660 --> 00:10:45,930 know I wouldn't say that I am crazy 280 00:10:50,780 --> 00:10:47,670 because I have these hallucinations of 281 00:10:52,670 --> 00:10:50,790 giant spiders in my room and I wouldn't 282 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:52,680 call someone crazy for believing that's 283 00:10:57,230 --> 00:10:55,110 you know something that's happening and 284 00:10:59,629 --> 00:10:57,240 especially if it's been happening all of 285 00:11:01,129 --> 00:10:59,639 your life but you know I think it's it's 286 00:11:02,750 --> 00:11:01,139 it's very difficult for someone who 287 00:11:06,949 --> 00:11:02,760 hasn't had the experience that you had 288 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:06,959 to to kind of you know say that could it 289 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:08,290 be real because 290 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:10,810 if if it feels real does that mean it is 291 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:15,970 real well I mean my I came we're not you 292 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:18,970 know now if I was happening now you can 293 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:20,290 talk about these things I never talked 294 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:21,850 about the stuff growing up they take it 295 00:11:26,340 --> 00:11:23,410 but your way I just didn't want the 296 00:11:28,050 --> 00:11:26,350 ridicule mum who cared and even now I 297 00:11:29,490 --> 00:11:28,060 only talk about it just fit just to 298 00:11:30,930 --> 00:11:29,500 share it I'm not trying to prove 299 00:11:32,579 --> 00:11:30,940 anything I have no proof I could say 300 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:32,589 that right up front in the sense that 301 00:11:37,019 --> 00:11:35,110 it's just sharing a story it sounds 302 00:11:39,329 --> 00:11:37,029 crazy I'm just telling you what seems to 303 00:11:43,980 --> 00:11:39,339 happen to me and why I say everybody 304 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:43,990 tells you that it's not yeah yeah but 305 00:11:50,370 --> 00:11:46,810 and so I'm just using that as a is a 306 00:11:52,199 --> 00:11:50,380 common word but it it seems just like 307 00:11:56,189 --> 00:11:52,209 the world seems like it's happening - 308 00:11:59,009 --> 00:11:56,199 yeah yeah so like yeah this kind of goes 309 00:12:01,199 --> 00:11:59,019 back to your experience with a slide and 310 00:12:03,420 --> 00:12:01,209 the hospital as you remember it and the 311 00:12:05,579 --> 00:12:03,430 people in the room do you remember 312 00:12:07,499 --> 00:12:05,589 talking about that back then when you 313 00:12:09,269 --> 00:12:07,509 were you know four or five did you tell 314 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:09,279 your parents straight away afterwards 315 00:12:14,879 --> 00:12:12,610 that's I don't remember if I did or not 316 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:14,889 I do remember asking them when I was 317 00:12:19,980 --> 00:12:17,050 older about it but I don't remember as a 318 00:12:21,329 --> 00:12:19,990 child if I asked at that time I know but 319 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:21,339 I don't remember I said I don't remember 320 00:12:25,889 --> 00:12:23,440 oh I'm in my 50s like I can't remember 321 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:25,899 yesterday sometime yeah I mean I turn I 322 00:12:29,309 --> 00:12:27,760 understand how memory works and I 323 00:12:32,550 --> 00:12:29,319 understand that it is the most 324 00:12:35,819 --> 00:12:32,560 unreliable so at home of course but we 325 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:35,829 all use it every day 100% of the time so 326 00:12:40,139 --> 00:12:38,290 you know is I'm basing it on the tools 327 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:40,149 I've learned is like what I think memory 328 00:12:44,180 --> 00:12:42,310 is you know what I mean knowing that 329 00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:44,190 it's always unreliable of course it is 330 00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:47,889 yeah I remember having a memory I said 331 00:12:50,490 --> 00:12:49,360 where do you remember memories you don't 332 00:12:52,259 --> 00:12:50,500 actually remember the members themselves 333 00:12:55,710 --> 00:12:52,269 you remember telling it I remember 334 00:12:58,889 --> 00:12:55,720 having a memory of being christened and 335 00:13:02,370 --> 00:12:58,899 I remember my aunt was there with a 336 00:13:04,259 --> 00:13:02,380 cigarette in a cigarette holder which 337 00:13:05,850 --> 00:13:04,269 it's just weird because like I would 338 00:13:08,129 --> 00:13:05,860 have been like I don't know two months 339 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:08,139 old or so when I was christened and my 340 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:09,430 aunt doesn't have a cigarette in a 341 00:13:13,949 --> 00:13:11,740 cigarette holder so it was hell this is 342 00:13:16,110 --> 00:13:13,959 something that I I invented in my mind 343 00:13:20,069 --> 00:13:16,120 later on and I think I think that that 344 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:20,079 does happen people do you can invent 345 00:13:22,110 --> 00:13:21,850 memories in a way and I talked to a 346 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:22,120 member 347 00:13:26,010 --> 00:13:23,890 expert while ago my podcast go through I 348 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:26,020 watched some of that the professor like 349 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:29,770 yeah elizabeth loftis and no yeah I I 350 00:13:34,350 --> 00:13:31,990 agree with you so but so then you take 351 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:34,360 that and then all of a sudden you start 352 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:36,070 seeing things in the sky 353 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:39,490 hmm as well and then there's a 354 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:41,200 solidification that takes place you're 355 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:44,350 like what you know why there seems like 356 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:46,920 there's something happening to you right 357 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:52,510 and you know yeah you see something 358 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:55,120 happening to you you think this why the 359 00:14:00,450 --> 00:13:56,890 set of things I mean I mean not just 360 00:14:02,220 --> 00:14:00,460 when you're sleeping hmm like all of the 361 00:14:03,210 --> 00:14:02,230 I called them abductions only because 362 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:03,220 that's like I don't feel like I'm being 363 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:06,250 abducted like you know I mean but yes 364 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:08,410 Larry I don't but that's always happened 365 00:14:13,650 --> 00:14:11,920 in the classic bedroom at night right so 366 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:13,660 then you've you took that by itself you 367 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:15,190 could definitely say they've got beat I 368 00:14:17,850 --> 00:14:16,570 mean we all dream there's some sort of 369 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:17,860 maybe there's something in the brain 370 00:14:23,370 --> 00:14:21,010 that certain people don't recognize 371 00:14:25,769 --> 00:14:23,380 dreaming or something like that but what 372 00:14:28,140 --> 00:14:25,779 happens when you have missing time in 373 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:28,150 your real life where you see craft in 374 00:14:32,910 --> 00:14:30,310 the sky combined with those things it 375 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:32,920 just you know it it's it's part becomes 376 00:14:39,019 --> 00:14:35,310 part of your life it's a real curiosity 377 00:14:41,370 --> 00:14:39,029 what's going on so you have you had 378 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:41,380 recent experiences of those types you 379 00:14:45,540 --> 00:14:43,570 said your last kind of abduction so to 380 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:45,550 speak was eight years ago have you had 381 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:47,260 like the oh the yeah I person 382 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:50,170 experiences since then but I've not a 383 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:52,450 lot of missing time the one really good 384 00:14:56,670 --> 00:14:55,150 example of it now no missing time you 385 00:14:59,579 --> 00:14:56,680 wonder am I getting older does it do 386 00:15:02,670 --> 00:14:59,589 this did I just forget was I distracted 387 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:02,680 but at what this was it had to be a 388 00:15:09,390 --> 00:15:06,910 brand-new 2002 car it's about 2004 389 00:15:11,310 --> 00:15:09,400 probably somewhere around there I was 390 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:11,320 driving home from work that was a single 391 00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:13,450 parent at the time my parents were 392 00:15:18,329 --> 00:15:16,240 watching my children so it wasn't like I 393 00:15:19,769 --> 00:15:18,339 was drinking it wasn't like I was a 394 00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:19,779 focused person I have to go pick up my 395 00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:22,240 yeah so this is around o'clock at night 396 00:15:26,910 --> 00:15:24,160 so I'm leaving work at 8 o'clock at 397 00:15:30,780 --> 00:15:26,920 night right in Florida at that time it 398 00:15:32,910 --> 00:15:30,790 was dark they must have been a towards 399 00:15:34,620 --> 00:15:32,920 the winter time a little bit and I was 400 00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:34,630 driving across Florida through the Ocala 401 00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:35,980 forest so there's 402 00:15:41,010 --> 00:15:37,990 long roads with nothing out there yeah 403 00:15:42,180 --> 00:15:41,020 and this is a flip phone cell phone day 404 00:15:44,070 --> 00:15:42,190 this isn't something you know this is 405 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:44,080 where you had a foam and it wasn't the 406 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:47,410 internet and or it wasn't as advanced 407 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:51,610 where you could just see think so I'm 408 00:15:57,270 --> 00:15:54,850 driving my car I get the experience and 409 00:15:59,100 --> 00:15:57,280 all of a sudden it just smashes to the 410 00:16:01,740 --> 00:15:59,110 ground like it like it's Rockets but 411 00:16:04,290 --> 00:16:01,750 yeah it just kind of boom boom like that 412 00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:04,300 I figure I just hit a massive pothole 413 00:16:10,110 --> 00:16:08,020 and the car is just it's flat instantly 414 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:10,120 it's not going flat it's it's it's 415 00:16:18,030 --> 00:16:12,910 straight from the ground and I pull over 416 00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:18,040 and I go and the tires just demolished 417 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:20,440 so in that kind of car they put that 418 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:21,850 little donut and it's buried in the 419 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,290 trunk so I'm like I gotta get everything 420 00:16:27,810 --> 00:16:25,120 on the chocolates and socks you know I'm 421 00:16:30,180 --> 00:16:27,820 gonna be late and there's no cell phone 422 00:16:33,570 --> 00:16:30,190 signal just probably still lifting today 423 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:33,580 just cuz it's out in the forest and like 424 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:35,710 what am I gonna do and then as I look I 425 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:38,500 see both tires are Smith witness man 426 00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:42,970 that's up so um I go back and as I'm 427 00:16:45,570 --> 00:16:44,260 trying to get ahold of my dad to let him 428 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:45,580 know I'm gonna be late come pick me 429 00:16:49,710 --> 00:16:47,950 outline and we do I'm walking the road 430 00:16:52,820 --> 00:16:49,720 to see the pothole there is no Patil 431 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:52,830 there's scraping marks in the road where 432 00:17:00,930 --> 00:16:55,870 where the car kind of started blowing 433 00:17:03,150 --> 00:17:00,940 out and but no no no problem so I called 434 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:03,160 my dad we get a hold of him he comes we 435 00:17:05,940 --> 00:17:04,600 get the tow truck driver then it's not 436 00:17:07,530 --> 00:17:05,950 like you can call the tow truck driver 437 00:17:11,190 --> 00:17:07,540 on your phone you have to my dad has to 438 00:17:14,070 --> 00:17:11,200 call him with the yellow page and be all 439 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:14,080 me and he takes the car to the service 440 00:17:21,180 --> 00:17:15,850 you know to the service station to the 441 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:21,190 dealership I go home but when I was 442 00:17:27,210 --> 00:17:23,490 fixing my tire it's midnight 443 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:27,220 it literally is midnight I freaked out 444 00:17:30,990 --> 00:17:29,350 and now I'm trying to call my dad and 445 00:17:34,890 --> 00:17:31,000 he's panicked where have you been 446 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:34,900 I'm calling four hours late and he's 447 00:17:39,870 --> 00:17:37,690 like Roger that you know I mean he's 448 00:17:41,610 --> 00:17:39,880 funny he's Sicilian he's like I call him 449 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:41,620 it midnight and he's like Dina I need to 450 00:17:46,170 --> 00:17:42,730 bring the shovel in the best way and 451 00:17:47,460 --> 00:17:46,180 what are you doing but but you know I 452 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:47,470 would never in responsible with my 453 00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,850 children like that I've never 454 00:17:53,610 --> 00:17:50,799 do that when I get back to the 455 00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:53,620 dealership in the morning the guy says 456 00:17:57,539 --> 00:17:55,840 well you need to talk to that tow truck 457 00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:57,549 driver man he dropped your car I'm like 458 00:18:01,580 --> 00:17:58,960 what do you mean you guys if you dropped 459 00:18:04,289 --> 00:18:01,590 your car I go now I blew out both tires 460 00:18:07,140 --> 00:18:04,299 because they blow out they cracked in 461 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:07,150 half perfectly at the same time I saw 462 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:08,710 you hit a big pothole probably he said 463 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:10,450 now there's no way cracked both rims and 464 00:18:14,970 --> 00:18:12,490 ass right the exact center like it was 465 00:18:17,010 --> 00:18:14,980 dropped so he said so that's that story 466 00:18:20,010 --> 00:18:17,020 so there's like a physical thing to 467 00:18:23,159 --> 00:18:20,020 happen but with a missing time an actual 468 00:18:24,990 --> 00:18:23,169 physical car that I've never had 469 00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:25,000 anything else like that like that 470 00:18:31,020 --> 00:18:29,470 full-on contact sorta what do you what 471 00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:31,030 do you think like say from the 472 00:18:38,370 --> 00:18:33,789 perspective of aliens what were they 473 00:18:39,570 --> 00:18:38,380 trying to do no idea that point I could 474 00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,580 even tell you that I was even thinking 475 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:41,200 aliens do they didn't really know about 476 00:18:45,659 --> 00:18:43,510 missing cards at that point okay 477 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:45,669 I mean I heard about it but I wasn't 478 00:18:49,159 --> 00:18:47,110 understanding what they were meaning by 479 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:49,169 like you know I mean like I was into it 480 00:18:53,730 --> 00:18:52,000 so that was my missing time there's a 481 00:18:55,980 --> 00:18:53,740 way afterwards as I look at it back 482 00:18:57,779 --> 00:18:55,990 people talk about how missing time has 483 00:19:01,770 --> 00:18:57,789 affected it has ever looked into that 484 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:01,780 pardon and yeah I suppose like if I was 485 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:07,030 like playing the skeptic role you'd say 486 00:19:13,380 --> 00:19:10,809 that's you you you you did hit something 487 00:19:15,299 --> 00:19:13,390 your tires went flat and you they kind 488 00:19:18,210 --> 00:19:15,309 of scraped against the road somehow Hey 489 00:19:21,149 --> 00:19:18,220 and yeah you just prep didn't walk back 490 00:19:23,159 --> 00:19:21,159 far enough along the road to see what a 491 00:19:24,990 --> 00:19:23,169 lot of yeah you know it rolls out I was 492 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:25,000 thinking that yeah yeah and it can tell 493 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:26,320 you if you've been thinking about trying 494 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:30,220 to find recommendations as well and then 495 00:19:34,169 --> 00:19:32,110 like there's the missing time like 496 00:19:36,659 --> 00:19:34,179 between like 8 o'clock ish and midnight 497 00:19:38,159 --> 00:19:36,669 when you did the call and the thought 498 00:19:39,539 --> 00:19:38,169 there would be that you maybe you banged 499 00:19:41,340 --> 00:19:39,549 your head or something or that you 500 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:41,350 passed out and that's why you get 501 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:43,450 something like smack the steering wheel 502 00:19:47,159 --> 00:19:44,530 or something like that I mean there was 503 00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:47,169 no mark of that or hit my neck who knows 504 00:19:54,149 --> 00:19:50,580 but it doesn't I didn't feel like I did 505 00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:54,159 yeah there's a relative of mine had an 506 00:20:00,480 --> 00:19:56,200 interesting experience where he was it 507 00:20:01,770 --> 00:20:00,490 was at a hotel casino and he remembers 508 00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:01,780 being in the casino everything was 509 00:20:05,970 --> 00:20:02,680 playing the slots 510 00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:05,980 thing at around like 8 o'clock and then 511 00:20:10,350 --> 00:20:09,520 he remembers later being his room at 512 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:10,360 around midnight 513 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:12,670 I think he was in a similar time frame 514 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:16,600 and he doesn't doesn't remember what 515 00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:19,750 happened between those two times he 516 00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:21,310 doesn't remember how he got back to his 517 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:23,470 room and you know he's initial thought 518 00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:25,330 was like he drunk too much but then you 519 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:29,080 know he said he only had one beer and he 520 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:30,760 he was concerned about this so he went 521 00:20:36,210 --> 00:20:33,460 to the hotel security and they actually 522 00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:36,220 found a videotape of him because he knew 523 00:20:40,650 --> 00:20:37,750 casinos they have they have cameras 524 00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:40,660 everywhere and they were able to track 525 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:43,630 him playing on the slots and then go 526 00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:45,580 into a blackjack table and then talking 527 00:20:50,580 --> 00:20:48,190 to somebody and then walking to the 528 00:20:52,410 --> 00:20:50,590 elevators and using his key cards to get 529 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:52,420 into the elevator and then going up to 530 00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,090 his room and he doesn't remember any of 531 00:21:00,480 --> 00:20:58,000 that it just went from you know being 532 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:00,490 being in the casino to being in his 533 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:03,010 rooms and he talked to his doctors about 534 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:05,170 it and they said it it's essentially 535 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:06,730 just something that happens occasionally 536 00:21:11,370 --> 00:21:09,730 your brain just stops recording new 537 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:11,380 memories so even though he wasn't 538 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,690 actually unconscious his brain wasn't 539 00:21:17,970 --> 00:21:16,240 recording new members and that does 540 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:17,980 happen occasionally to people he was I 541 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:20,230 believe in his his sixties or so when 542 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:22,690 that happened to him but I'm not sure if 543 00:21:26,790 --> 00:21:24,370 there's an age limit so you know it's 544 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:26,800 possible that something like that might 545 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:29,290 have happened to you it is possible I 546 00:21:32,610 --> 00:21:30,400 know what the I would say is that's 547 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:32,620 Vegas so once you say Vegas everybody's 548 00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:35,950 gonna go well he's happening and then 549 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:38,200 the conspiracy theory is instantly going 550 00:21:40,890 --> 00:21:39,610 well it's Vegas because they're pumping 551 00:21:42,330 --> 00:21:40,900 stuff in the air and they're making them 552 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:42,340 gambling he doesn't even doubt right I 553 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:46,270 mean I was I was the I know we're 554 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:47,350 talking to aliens we're going to talk 555 00:21:50,850 --> 00:21:49,510 about cue and some other things one of 556 00:21:51,690 --> 00:21:50,860 the things I thought was interesting and 557 00:21:54,030 --> 00:21:51,700 maybe we can do it later 558 00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:54,040 yes you're kind of politely dragging 559 00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,140 people out of the rabbit hole and I'm 560 00:22:01,500 --> 00:21:58,720 really politely saying hey there's more 561 00:22:03,540 --> 00:22:01,510 in there and so one of the things I 562 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,550 might do later I do want is where if I 563 00:22:07,170 --> 00:22:05,200 saw in the news article how I would look 564 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:07,180 at it and you know I mean where it would 565 00:22:11,910 --> 00:22:10,330 lead me right it kind of then see well 566 00:22:14,010 --> 00:22:11,920 maybe you're making mistake there that's 567 00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,020 not connected does that make sense yeah 568 00:22:16,590 --> 00:22:16,240 I see a government I want to show you 569 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:16,600 how 570 00:22:22,770 --> 00:22:19,290 I do know I see what you're saying 571 00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:22,780 because like you you mostly you you've 572 00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:25,180 got this deep wealth of experience that 573 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:27,910 kind of gives you a perspective which is 574 00:22:31,740 --> 00:22:29,050 different for other people who haven't 575 00:22:34,490 --> 00:22:31,750 had this experience and so you I guess 576 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:34,500 you you kind of tend to gravitate 577 00:22:39,630 --> 00:22:36,850 towards an explanation that kind of 578 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:39,640 includes these things as being real 579 00:22:44,790 --> 00:22:42,010 events whereas I would kind of gravitate 580 00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:44,800 towards an explanation this has the more 581 00:22:53,010 --> 00:22:48,910 mundane explanations so but some things 582 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:53,020 are just too far out there aliens are 583 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:55,990 one of them right the two until somebody 584 00:23:00,540 --> 00:22:58,210 has DNA it's no one's ever going to 585 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:00,550 believe in my hand and probably 586 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:03,490 shouldn't just the possibility that life 587 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:07,090 is out there but not going too far I 588 00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:09,550 mean there has to be life out there just 589 00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,100 because it's an if if I get this correct 590 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:13,600 if an infinite universe the pattern will 591 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:15,130 repeat itself there's duplicates of us 592 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:18,370 out there somewhere right I mean are as 593 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:21,010 the theory Gary said I don't I don't 594 00:23:24,180 --> 00:23:22,510 think you couldn't say there's not life 595 00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:24,190 out there I mean would you think there's 596 00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:26,200 life in the universe I think most people 597 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:28,390 think that you know the universe is so 598 00:23:30,450 --> 00:23:28,690 big 599 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:30,460 there's probably some kind of life 600 00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:32,170 somewhere out there I mean we have our 601 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:34,750 galaxy which has lots of systems and 602 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:36,040 that's big enough but then you've got 603 00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:37,750 billions of other galaxies and this 604 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,180 almost certainly right the space in this 605 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:43,360 is so yes I don't think aliens per se 606 00:23:46,380 --> 00:23:45,010 are not crazy like the idea of that 607 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:46,390 aliens existing somewhere in the 608 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:47,770 universe it's a perfectly reasonable 609 00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,200 thing and pretty much everybody thinks 610 00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:52,480 that seems a some kind of life somewhere 611 00:23:58,290 --> 00:23:54,160 in the universe other than us that's 612 00:24:01,140 --> 00:23:58,300 quite reasonable though in it so it's 613 00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:01,150 not like it couldn't happen I guess 614 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:04,150 there's always a possibility so I don't 615 00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:05,350 think I would believe in something that 616 00:24:09,930 --> 00:24:07,390 couldn't happen does that make sense 617 00:24:12,090 --> 00:24:09,940 sure yeah yeah so I mean it could happen 618 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:12,100 so it seems like it's happening and it 619 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:13,810 could happen to me it seems like it's 620 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:17,910 happening to me that's all but as far as 621 00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:21,130 physical craft here's an example I've 622 00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:23,980 never seen like your classic UFO sport 623 00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:26,820 model you know flying saucer 624 00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:29,830 but I've seen very strange light 625 00:24:32,730 --> 00:24:30,580 arrangements and I 626 00:24:35,399 --> 00:24:32,740 I'll count anything that doesn't move in 627 00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:35,409 a non-newtonian way like I see light all 628 00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:38,340 the time I see strangeness all the time 629 00:24:41,789 --> 00:24:40,630 but I don't count those I don't share 630 00:24:43,049 --> 00:24:41,799 this because it could be anything could 631 00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:43,059 be an airplane could be all the things 632 00:24:48,659 --> 00:24:44,980 that we think they could but some things 633 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:48,669 like triangle shows up like just the 634 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:50,500 dots of a triangle and then it spins 635 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:52,390 around and takes off like that that's 636 00:24:57,419 --> 00:24:55,090 something yeah there's a structure to it 637 00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:57,429 there's a shape but I've had that happen 638 00:25:01,320 --> 00:24:59,590 several times just like a pattern of 639 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:01,330 Lights and then they all line up and 640 00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:03,250 take off but they're just lights that's 641 00:25:07,649 --> 00:25:04,870 about the size of stars I don't know 642 00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:07,659 what they are it could be anything but 643 00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:10,480 it certainly looks weird but about six 644 00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,419 months ago my wife who is an engineer 645 00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:14,880 and she's a skeptic in the sense that 646 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:17,830 she makes a list for her list he's OCD 647 00:25:21,870 --> 00:25:19,690 everything tool has a place you know 648 00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:21,880 Michy's the logical thinking perfect as 649 00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,360 she always has humored me in the sense 650 00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:27,039 she just thinks it's interesting but 651 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:28,750 never really has an opinion either way 652 00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:30,010 she's just kind of yeah there's probably 653 00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:32,889 life out there we'll never bubble it's 654 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:35,080 my second one but we're out on the boat 655 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:38,289 we live here on the lake and it's about 656 00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:41,289 maybe almost 3:00 in the afternoon it is 657 00:25:46,379 --> 00:25:44,169 flat there's not a cloud in the sky and 658 00:25:48,090 --> 00:25:46,389 all of a sudden I just say look up there 659 00:25:51,149 --> 00:25:48,100 I get this feeling to say look right 660 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:51,159 there and boom there's in a Delta shape 661 00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:53,370 those five huge blowings 662 00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,500 look like circles and not spheres but 663 00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:58,080 you could see the edge like they were 664 00:26:04,769 --> 00:26:03,039 glowing and when I say big the day was 665 00:26:07,889 --> 00:26:04,779 so clear we are in the flight pattern to 666 00:26:09,509 --> 00:26:07,899 Orlando you could see the tail color of 667 00:26:11,399 --> 00:26:09,519 the plane and like the dots of the 668 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,409 window you couldn't see any members or 669 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:13,120 anything but you could see that of a 670 00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:16,960 passenger jet the tail sign it's a nice 671 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:18,820 clear day that's not odd down here 672 00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:23,350 everything's flat and it formed like a 673 00:26:28,919 --> 00:26:27,429 like a iike Delta like a five shape five 674 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:28,929 circles and adults as formation like 675 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:30,250 that and we're just sitting there and 676 00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:33,370 the plane is already past the plane is 677 00:26:37,379 --> 00:26:35,710 over here on the jet they kind of get a 678 00:26:39,299 --> 00:26:37,389 perspective it looked like it was behind 679 00:26:40,769 --> 00:26:39,309 it it could have been in front of it but 680 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:40,779 if it was behind it had to be enormous 681 00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:43,510 circles though they were wainy there 682 00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:44,559 were five each circle 683 00:26:47,789 --> 00:26:46,809 five times the size of that yeah but it 684 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:47,799 could have been in front of it to 685 00:26:53,789 --> 00:26:51,129 perspective lies out on that and then 686 00:26:55,980 --> 00:26:53,799 we're sitting there and I don't want to 687 00:26:59,009 --> 00:26:55,990 take my eyes off of it and I'm trying to 688 00:27:00,330 --> 00:26:59,019 get my phone which is on the boat again 689 00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:00,340 but I don't want to lose it so I'm 690 00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:01,809 turning it on and not looking so I 691 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:03,549 putting the viewfinder off about thirty 692 00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,190 or dust about 67 that's thirty seconds 693 00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:08,080 in and I'm trying to do if I didn't 694 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:09,990 catch anything hmm 695 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,330 that's the thing whoa wait wait okay 696 00:27:18,029 --> 00:27:16,240 they turn into a circle and take off one 697 00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:18,039 by one just like the little ones I used 698 00:27:24,899 --> 00:27:20,350 to see a long time ago but my wife sees 699 00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:24,909 it too she she'll tell you she was like 700 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:27,340 what so she's that she's like all 701 00:27:31,619 --> 00:27:30,070 excited now but she saw it too we're 702 00:27:34,049 --> 00:27:31,629 thinking what could it be spotlights 703 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:34,059 it's like a car dealership but there's 704 00:27:37,619 --> 00:27:35,830 no cloud to reflect off of it there's no 705 00:27:39,539 --> 00:27:37,629 beam there's no it's broad daylight I 706 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:39,549 don't know that that could be something 707 00:27:44,489 --> 00:27:41,289 like that and could it be that big and 708 00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,499 that the whiteness of the the was 709 00:27:48,299 --> 00:27:46,960 clearly solid white and glowing like a 710 00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,309 spotlight always has some sort of 711 00:27:52,830 --> 00:27:50,399 transparency good so that's an odd thing 712 00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:52,840 yeah that's a very odd thing say your 713 00:27:59,159 --> 00:27:56,529 wife saw the same thing yes he knows she 714 00:28:01,080 --> 00:27:59,169 saw the same thing there so she told me 715 00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:01,090 because as soon as we got into the doc 716 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:03,460 took my mom lives in a guest house on 717 00:28:10,049 --> 00:28:07,210 our property by the dock we told her and 718 00:28:11,639 --> 00:28:10,059 she said the neighbor had told her that 719 00:28:13,649 --> 00:28:11,649 she had saw some things do earlier that 720 00:28:17,310 --> 00:28:13,659 day because she thinks my mom thinks I'm 721 00:28:18,509 --> 00:28:17,320 a lunatic but I talked about sauces and 722 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:18,519 things earlier that day night so that's 723 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:20,470 just weird that she saw it and the 724 00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,730 neighbor said he saw something I don't 725 00:28:25,259 --> 00:28:22,720 make that deal with the neighbors all 726 00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:25,269 yeah yeah so do you think if you had had 727 00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:27,460 your camera out at that time you would 728 00:28:33,659 --> 00:28:29,860 have got good video or good photos of it 729 00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:33,669 I know and I'll tell you why I mean I 730 00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:37,470 was filming it but it was just sky about 731 00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,580 just a couple weeks ago we were doing 732 00:28:44,460 --> 00:28:41,919 some work down the Florida Keys we had 733 00:28:46,169 --> 00:28:44,470 to go out to this island and here there 734 00:28:48,659 --> 00:28:46,179 was the Naval Station and they fly this 735 00:28:49,889 --> 00:28:48,669 is a like a blimp not a blimp you would 736 00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:49,899 ride in but like a weather balloon that 737 00:28:54,779 --> 00:28:51,100 looks like it looks like a goldfish 738 00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:54,789 cracker yeah okay it's round in the 739 00:28:58,450 --> 00:28:56,440 front has fins you would say that looks 740 00:29:00,220 --> 00:28:58,460 like a fish right yeah yeah 741 00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,230 thank you me just a big white like a 742 00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:02,240 blimp like a air balloon and it's 743 00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:04,190 tethered and they fly it there for 744 00:29:09,249 --> 00:29:06,590 weather or surveillance or whatever the 745 00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:09,259 government and I'm riding in the boat 746 00:29:13,450 --> 00:29:12,169 and I see it clearly and it's because it 747 00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:13,460 reminds me of the tic-tac words you're 748 00:29:17,019 --> 00:29:15,350 making your things and like okay that 749 00:29:19,810 --> 00:29:17,029 looks like that would could be the size 750 00:29:23,739 --> 00:29:19,820 of the thing about 40 to 60 feet long 751 00:29:26,379 --> 00:29:23,749 and I take a picture of it and I film it 752 00:29:28,269 --> 00:29:26,389 yeah screen shot you'd the whole thing 753 00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,279 Stills and video and it looks like a 754 00:29:32,139 --> 00:29:29,840 white little dot that you can't see 755 00:29:34,239 --> 00:29:32,149 anything and I'm clear it with my human 756 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:34,249 eye I can see it very clearly what it is 757 00:29:37,769 --> 00:29:36,529 I can even see the tether I can see like 758 00:29:40,090 --> 00:29:37,779 some of the strappings 759 00:29:41,739 --> 00:29:40,100 but you can't see anything and then the 760 00:29:43,149 --> 00:29:41,749 weird part is when you zoom in on it 761 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:43,159 then it looks like it's this glowing 762 00:29:46,899 --> 00:29:45,529 ball that you always see people see like 763 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:46,909 well yeah cause it's completely out of 764 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:49,850 focus but so I don't know that kind of 765 00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,590 camera catch something that that that 766 00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:53,840 far away I don't know yeah I mean if you 767 00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:55,220 can if you can see something with your 768 00:29:58,659 --> 00:29:57,110 eyes then if you have a good enough 769 00:30:00,730 --> 00:29:58,669 camera than you'll be able to do it 770 00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:00,740 it's a problem that I thought iPhone 10 771 00:30:04,210 --> 00:30:02,269 it has pretty good camera I have that 772 00:30:06,639 --> 00:30:04,220 too like if you film things in 4k you 773 00:30:08,350 --> 00:30:06,649 can get things but of course they don't 774 00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,360 they don't zoom in particularly well 775 00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,679 they've got a two-time Zune on the 776 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:12,320 iPhone 10 and things don't get that much 777 00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:15,110 bigger so it was just interesting to me 778 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:16,940 with what does something look like your 779 00:30:22,239 --> 00:30:19,730 eye compared to film that all people 780 00:30:24,430 --> 00:30:22,249 always talk about taking photos of the 781 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:24,440 moon if you look at the moon it looks 782 00:30:27,489 --> 00:30:26,210 giant and beautiful and you can see all 783 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:27,499 the craters and everything and you get 784 00:30:30,489 --> 00:30:29,090 your phone out and you take a picture of 785 00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:30,499 this and it's just this bright white 786 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:32,840 blob in the middle of the photo because 787 00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,330 it doesn't work very well but you thing 788 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:37,039 is you can actually take really really 789 00:30:41,499 --> 00:30:39,110 good photos of the moon if you've got 790 00:30:44,169 --> 00:30:41,509 the right camera like I've got a camera 791 00:30:46,629 --> 00:30:44,179 over there is a Nikon P 900 which has an 792 00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:46,639 83 times zoom and if you have the right 793 00:30:49,930 --> 00:30:48,590 camera at the right time then you're 794 00:30:51,879 --> 00:30:49,940 actually able to take really really good 795 00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:51,889 photos of the moon that are actually far 796 00:30:57,460 --> 00:30:54,470 better than what you can see with the 797 00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,470 naked eye why are all why do all UFO 798 00:31:03,190 --> 00:30:59,840 videos stink there's thousands of them 799 00:31:05,619 --> 00:31:03,200 and say some of a real some of them are 800 00:31:07,389 --> 00:31:05,629 whatever who knows but they all stink 801 00:31:09,789 --> 00:31:07,399 and then of course the most famous three 802 00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:09,799 that you've gone into we don't have to 803 00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:11,870 go into full-blown on that 804 00:31:16,810 --> 00:31:13,700 thousand times but take the tic-tac for 805 00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:16,820 a second mm-hmm what would you ever 806 00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,710 consider it's something like time 807 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:21,200 distortion or gravitational lensing from 808 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:23,630 the power source meaning if it's an 809 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,610 antigravity thing and it creates some 810 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:26,960 sort of shield which stopped the nura 811 00:31:30,910 --> 00:31:29,090 and that's why I can move would it bend 812 00:31:32,530 --> 00:31:30,920 the light and would it look like it's 813 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:32,540 changing shape I don't know the science 814 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:34,910 behind them but would that cause and it 815 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:37,010 was time dilated me and we can't even a 816 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:38,690 camera can't see it move what it looked 817 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:40,250 like it's erratic what it's really just 818 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:42,980 moving around what about that well 819 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:45,410 that's not like you know if you go into 820 00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:46,910 things like that it's almost like you're 821 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:48,920 saying that it's magic because are you 822 00:31:52,419 --> 00:31:50,990 saying is it the physics is so advanced 823 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:52,429 that it's doing something that we don't 824 00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:54,410 understand like saying it's bending 825 00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:57,260 space so that light goes around it well 826 00:32:00,370 --> 00:31:58,730 we do understand that though we 827 00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:00,380 understand gravitational lensing with 828 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:03,230 like the Sun and we understand this 829 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:05,210 the something is there to do 830 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:07,010 gravitational lensing you need an 831 00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,650 incredibly large mass I mean you 832 00:32:13,510 --> 00:32:11,840 essentially for something that that size 833 00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,520 to do gravitational lensing you would 834 00:32:17,169 --> 00:32:15,200 need a black hole and if there was a 835 00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:17,179 black hole flying around in there you 836 00:32:20,890 --> 00:32:19,400 you wouldn't just have light bending 837 00:32:22,510 --> 00:32:20,900 you'd have everything bending there the 838 00:32:24,010 --> 00:32:22,520 the world would just near cease to exist 839 00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:24,020 essentially because you would have this 840 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,590 huge gravitational field in in 1:1 spots 841 00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:29,360 and if anything like fell into it it's 842 00:32:32,919 --> 00:32:31,520 like you know BAM came over like that 843 00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:32,929 the amount of energy that would be 844 00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:42,260 radiating around report to work time 845 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:45,350 aspect of that when framer talked about 846 00:32:49,330 --> 00:32:47,510 it looked like a BB in a glass the first 847 00:32:50,650 --> 00:32:49,340 thing I thought is is is that just time 848 00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:50,660 diet like it does it look like that 849 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:52,300 because that's what they're seeing 850 00:32:57,370 --> 00:32:55,370 actually doing I don't think that really 851 00:33:00,580 --> 00:32:57,380 kind of tallies with our understanding 852 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:00,590 of general relativity and how time 853 00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:02,809 dilation actually works and time 854 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:05,000 dilation works because something is 855 00:33:07,390 --> 00:33:06,260 moving very very fast 856 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,400 you know things don't appear to be 857 00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:09,200 moving very very fast because of time 858 00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:15,860 dilation like when you look at a family 859 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:18,440 you see three fans but when it's moving 860 00:33:21,820 --> 00:33:20,510 it looks like it's one and if you move 861 00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,830 certain ways that looks like it's here 862 00:33:25,570 --> 00:33:23,360 and then it's there I mean it could it 863 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:25,580 be something to that effect yeah well I 864 00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:26,280 mean I think 865 00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:29,550 what people are describing and some of 866 00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:30,990 the the stuff that has been describing 867 00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:33,510 this is this the nimitz UFO encounter 868 00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:36,240 that happened in 2004 the stuff they are 869 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:40,680 describing requires physics beyond our 870 00:33:43,820 --> 00:33:41,490 understanding 871 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:43,830 I mean we don't know how things can 872 00:33:48,380 --> 00:33:46,410 actually move you know whatever it was 873 00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:48,390 it was something like like four miles in 874 00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:50,220 in half a second or something like that 875 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:51,990 from a dead stop to a dead stop which is 876 00:33:57,170 --> 00:33:55,050 you know practically teleporting and so 877 00:33:58,580 --> 00:33:57,180 to do that we you it would need some 878 00:34:00,200 --> 00:33:58,590 kind of new and the sending of physics 879 00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:00,210 and in a way it doesn't really matter 880 00:34:04,550 --> 00:34:02,220 what that's that physics actually is 881 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:04,560 what matters is did this thing actually 882 00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:08,010 happen or not it's an incredible thing 883 00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:09,720 so I think the standard of evidence 884 00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:11,700 would have to be fairly high and of 885 00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:13,500 course I personally don't think that the 886 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:18,720 evidence is really good to say what I 887 00:34:21,890 --> 00:34:20,490 have to say commander favorite sounds 888 00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:21,900 legit I don't want to go I got some 889 00:34:24,890 --> 00:34:23,070 other things I want to ask you about 890 00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:24,900 this just because to me the things that 891 00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:26,310 have always done but I would like to say 892 00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:27,750 that I think commander favor sounds 893 00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:29,790 legit to me like he sounds like legit 894 00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:32,940 person but I would agree with our words 895 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:35,220 he sounds legit but it doesn't mean that 896 00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:37,110 what he saw and what he thinks he saw 897 00:34:42,140 --> 00:34:39,000 huh and I also agree with you that the 898 00:34:44,330 --> 00:34:42,150 videos are horrible yeah there's no way 899 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:44,340 that the most advanced aircraft in the 900 00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:46,650 world gave us that video period there is 901 00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:48,630 either the conspiracy of another video 902 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:50,910 or you know I mean that is just terrible 903 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:54,690 yeah you know I mean you can't and the 904 00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:56,370 other thing are you do you ever talk 905 00:35:00,140 --> 00:34:57,900 about TTS say I don't want to get there 906 00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:00,150 seems like a toy yeah yeah si that's uh 907 00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,230 Tom DeLonge at organisation yeah as far 908 00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:06,240 as just of my UFO folks out there just a 909 00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,620 quick thing everybody has an opinion on 910 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:10,560 they go crazy on it I root for anybody 911 00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,970 that's trying for disclosure but in the 912 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:13,680 same sense we're kind of promised thirty 913 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,020 videos but we got three fuzzy videos and 914 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:18,000 then you kind of got the balloon thing 915 00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:20,670 and there's some credibility issues yet 916 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:22,200 you look at the other side the team they 917 00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,630 have those are some real deal people and 918 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:25,920 you're like how would real deal people 919 00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,450 like that be involved but I would agree 920 00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:29,280 with you that the videos aren't that 921 00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:29,760 great 922 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:32,190 I'd like show me a better video I really 923 00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,290 love to see it if they have yeah it is 924 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:36,240 very interesting that the TTS a light on 925 00:35:39,859 --> 00:35:38,010 DeLong's organization does have people 926 00:35:41,809 --> 00:35:39,869 who seem to have like good 927 00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:41,819 vacations like well it's not just good 928 00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:44,369 quality how about Chris Mellon of the 929 00:35:47,299 --> 00:35:46,049 melon family time that Jim Sammy been 930 00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:47,309 help put up these are like real 931 00:35:52,819 --> 00:35:50,190 scientists real the people I think that 932 00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:52,829 one I find confusing the most is Steve 933 00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:56,190 justice he used to be the guy who was 934 00:36:01,489 --> 00:35:59,160 the head of skunk works surely some kind 935 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:01,499 of upper level management of the skunk 936 00:36:07,819 --> 00:36:05,130 works at Lockheed Martin and you know he 937 00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,829 was he was talking to a real scientist 938 00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:09,839 about real craft and things and now he's 939 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:11,880 got involved with this this Tom DeLonge 940 00:36:17,029 --> 00:36:14,970 thing makes me think it's real just 941 00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:17,039 because of that I mean you got a guy 942 00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:18,119 from skunk works 943 00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:19,619 you're talking like okay that makes 944 00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:21,630 sense is it a black project is it a 945 00:36:25,009 --> 00:36:23,460 breakaway civilization did they find 946 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:25,019 something did they finally have the AI 947 00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:27,089 to reverse the engineer the craft they 948 00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,980 always man you know all this think that 949 00:36:33,769 --> 00:36:31,200 makes me go deeper like holy crap but I 950 00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:33,779 agree with chief when I I saw you first 951 00:36:38,359 --> 00:36:36,630 on Joe Rogan by the way all right and so 952 00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:38,369 I watched Joe a lot and when I saw Tom 953 00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:40,049 on there my first impression was he's 954 00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:42,839 dying what does it feel like and Joseph 955 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:44,670 you know play Joe is you know he always 956 00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,730 but he don't Bowl either and once he 957 00:36:51,319 --> 00:36:49,200 gets one more if I can't tell you I 958 00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,329 can't say he's like what are we doing 959 00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:53,880 here but maybe was Turner only but I'm 960 00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:55,529 not slamming anybody maybe westerly to 961 00:36:59,269 --> 00:36:57,180 bring it out but when I did the research 962 00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:59,279 after that so you got to give Tom the 963 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:01,079 credit like I looked into it wow those 964 00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:04,410 are some real deal people so I do agree 965 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,910 that he kind of bombed that interview in 966 00:37:09,049 --> 00:37:07,440 the sense that but maybe you couldn't 967 00:37:10,999 --> 00:37:09,059 tell or I've got information but it's 968 00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:11,009 over here but again here seems like I 969 00:37:18,289 --> 00:37:15,150 don't like height to me this topic is 970 00:37:21,019 --> 00:37:18,299 this important that if it's real whether 971 00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:21,029 it's aliens or even black projects that 972 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:23,960 are have technology that is not shared 973 00:37:28,579 --> 00:37:26,430 it could end the petrodollar it could 974 00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:28,589 end war can end famine climate change 975 00:37:32,839 --> 00:37:30,630 who's the that's not sharing 976 00:37:33,380 --> 00:37:32,849 that you don't America so it would be 977 00:37:35,509 --> 00:37:33,390 great 978 00:37:37,729 --> 00:37:35,519 right so if I had a piece of craft I'm 979 00:37:39,799 --> 00:37:37,739 not gonna make a TV show about it I 980 00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:39,809 would I get to the top scientist and 981 00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:40,980 everybody in the world and let's look at 982 00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:42,390 this thing and let's get this out there 983 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:44,460 and let's save the world so it bothers 984 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:46,049 me when they hike stuff and they what I 985 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:47,910 like to call drift closure where they 986 00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,890 give me a piece and then that seems to 987 00:37:53,330 --> 00:37:52,079 the way a reality TV show is done it 988 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:53,340 seems to show 989 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:56,370 for me what wouldn't it have come 990 00:38:00,620 --> 00:37:58,050 out there you've got people like Harry 991 00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:00,630 Reid who is the the House Majority 992 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:03,300 Leader and he had access to all kinds of 993 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:06,810 like security commissions and whatnot 994 00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:09,530 and he he was like upper level 995 00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:13,350 congressman was his senator but here he 996 00:38:16,580 --> 00:38:14,430 was he was right up there and the 997 00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:16,590 federal government and he's a big fan of 998 00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:19,080 UFOs and he's he's he's got terminal 999 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:22,200 cancer right now so why doesn't he tell 1000 00:38:26,330 --> 00:38:23,310 people what he knows 1001 00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,340 he says it's real he's well in heaven 1002 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:28,140 with Bigelow Bigelow says it's real 1003 00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:31,410 Bigelow is a billionaire but not just a 1004 00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:33,390 like lavish billionaire he builds space 1005 00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:36,030 habitat I mean it he's a real dude he 1006 00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:37,710 says right on TV they're real they're 1007 00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:39,270 everywhere or they're under our noses I 1008 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:42,150 mean he I saw an article that somebody 1009 00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:44,010 can look it up where he said that people 1010 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:45,630 that touch the material had physical 1011 00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:48,690 brain damage and he and I can't find it 1012 00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:50,220 again but he said it wasn't just a 1013 00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:51,990 mental problem so they they learned 1014 00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,400 early on they had to look at this 1015 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:54,960 material I don't know if the same 1016 00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:57,090 material Tom has but he says he has 1017 00:39:03,830 --> 00:38:59,700 material Bigelow also drops in Twitter 1018 00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:03,840 these look I know you hate orbs right 1019 00:39:07,610 --> 00:39:06,060 yeah but it's not just an or video it's 1020 00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:07,620 like you know I've been closed you can 1021 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:09,000 tell it's a controlled high-tech 1022 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:11,130 scientific environment so I think I 1023 00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:12,360 don't know if you can actually tell that 1024 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:13,980 I've seen that video and you know it 1025 00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:15,510 looks like a bunch of stuff on a table 1026 00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:18,390 and a little little floating some 1027 00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:20,760 production quality into it you know at 1028 00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:22,260 least tried to make it look like that it 1029 00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:24,600 wasn't like yeah it wasn't in the 1030 00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:26,310 backyard is what I'm saying but anyway I 1031 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:28,680 agree it's still just a floaty thing but 1032 00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:30,570 this is a billionaire guy saying that 1033 00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:32,460 who knows Harry hmm who says they work 1034 00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:33,900 together and all they and you go back 1035 00:39:38,330 --> 00:39:36,390 into nudes and all these things so why 1036 00:39:42,260 --> 00:39:38,340 what's going on there there it seems 1037 00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:42,270 like there's something going out well or 1038 00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:44,670 anything you know what I think is going 1039 00:39:55,070 --> 00:39:49,560 on is the Harry Reid and Bigelow and 1040 00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:55,080 people like John Podesta our UFO fans 1041 00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:57,270 that people who like this stuff and they 1042 00:40:00,590 --> 00:39:58,740 think that there's something to it and 1043 00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:00,600 yeah they're kind of like you in a way 1044 00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:03,240 and maybe maybe they've seen a UFO I'm 1045 00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:05,640 sure Bigelow probably has at least 1046 00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:06,750 thinks he has 1047 00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:09,030 and you know other people think they had 1048 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:10,230 like Jimmy Carter I thought thought he 1049 00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,330 saw a UFO and when you have this 1050 00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:14,700 experience and you get really deep into 1051 00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:16,440 this this type of thing you kind of 1052 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:19,590 either you you want to investigate it so 1053 00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,310 I think Harry Reid's the reason he isn't 1054 00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:25,440 telling everybody everything he knows 1055 00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,630 about UFOs is really there isn't very 1056 00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:30,240 much that he knows that we don't he just 1057 00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:33,150 he's just like you and I and they in 1058 00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:35,060 that his interests in the subject and 1059 00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,790 he's you know just going going trying 1060 00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:40,740 trying to get more investigation done he 1061 00:40:43,580 --> 00:40:41,790 doesn't actually know anything and you 1062 00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:43,590 think he would though you know why 1063 00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:45,600 didn't why doesn't he know more because 1064 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:49,980 he's against the conspiracy theory would 1065 00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:51,570 be well they're gonna kill his family he 1066 00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:53,640 talks he's got a chip that is whatever 1067 00:40:57,580 --> 00:40:55,260 they might block them I mean there's a 1068 00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:57,590 million thanks taking all that aside 1069 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:01,440 what about the factual thing that the as 1070 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:02,970 far as I understand the story did the 1071 00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:04,770 Navy change their reporting of UFOs 1072 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:06,870 based on the fact that every day for two 1073 00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:08,490 years they saw those are you familiar 1074 00:41:13,850 --> 00:41:10,470 with the cubes and the spheres on the 1075 00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:13,860 coast yeah I don't they saw every day 1076 00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:16,380 for two year I be they the Navy 1077 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:18,360 themselves don't actually say that the 1078 00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:20,250 Navy is saying that they they've updated 1079 00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:22,710 their reporting procedures for 1080 00:41:28,090 --> 00:41:25,740 unidentified aerial phenomena right and 1081 00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:28,100 then they list what they think 1082 00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:30,420 unidentified aerial phenomena are and 1083 00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,960 they list things like drones and they 1084 00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:35,400 say and they say course we talk about 1085 00:41:39,290 --> 00:41:37,230 there's a lot more drones like 1086 00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:39,300 individuals have drone stuff now and 1087 00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:41,190 they're they're impinging upon army 1088 00:41:45,350 --> 00:41:43,260 airspace Navy a space and going into 1089 00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,360 bases and things like that and they talk 1090 00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:47,760 about balloons they say balloons are a 1091 00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:51,240 problem and they they talk about other I 1092 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:53,310 think aerial platforms like just some 1093 00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:54,930 kind of remote operated plane or 1094 00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,020 something like that they don't say we're 1095 00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:00,780 doing it because people in the Gulf's or 1096 00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:03,750 a cube in a sphere well every day for 1097 00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:07,140 two years well I don't know if they 1098 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:08,790 actually say that in the why they 1099 00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:11,250 changed the reporting but it said or as 1100 00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:14,070 far as I understand that the Navy is not 1101 00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:15,510 saying that that story is not true that 1102 00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,550 their pilots had near misses with giant 1103 00:42:20,330 --> 00:42:19,680 spirits the cube them is that correct I 1104 00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:20,340 mean that 1105 00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:22,320 what I well I think it's correct that 1106 00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:23,430 they're not saying that it's not true 1107 00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:25,380 but it's really what's really correct is 1108 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:27,390 that they're not talking about it 1109 00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:29,490 because then you think what do you think 1110 00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:31,320 of that like what could that be 1111 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:33,390 could that be some sort of balloon like 1112 00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:35,130 an experienced pilot if they're seeing 1113 00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:37,230 them every day but if they are where's 1114 00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:39,060 that video right you would after the 1115 00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,440 second day somebody's turning on a 1116 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:42,720 camera or bringing a cell phone aren't 1117 00:42:46,820 --> 00:42:44,610 they I mean yeah I didn't know what that 1118 00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,830 was that was just something one of the 1119 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:48,960 guys talked about in on one of the TV 1120 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:52,710 shows oh I believe there was an actual 1121 00:42:57,350 --> 00:42:54,210 like New York Times all up in up like a 1122 00:42:58,940 --> 00:42:57,360 natural legit not a hope see newspaper 1123 00:43:00,830 --> 00:42:58,950 but a real newspaper that talked about 1124 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:00,840 it I'll have to look that up but I'm 1125 00:43:04,580 --> 00:43:03,330 pretty sure that dead it's just when 1126 00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,590 they said they had saw them for two 1127 00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:06,000 years I'm like that seems pretty 1128 00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:08,550 significant I think like looking back on 1129 00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,060 that most of what they saw were lights 1130 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:14,880 in the distance or white specks in the 1131 00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:16,530 distance and they said they were seeing 1132 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:18,180 these all the time that's what they said 1133 00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:20,850 we're seeing another basis move on from 1134 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:22,980 there I think it's I remember it being 1135 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:25,890 more significant level yeah they also 1136 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:29,010 talked about seeing these there's other 1137 00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:31,250 things and there one time they saw a 1138 00:43:36,590 --> 00:43:34,680 sphere in a you know a cube inscribing 1139 00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:36,600 sphere and once they flew between the 1140 00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:39,030 two planes and split atom but that I 1141 00:43:41,810 --> 00:43:40,080 think wasn't something that was 1142 00:43:44,060 --> 00:43:41,820 happening every day but yeah that's 1143 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:44,070 something we could we can check liner 1144 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:47,370 yeah yeah just to jump in here what 1145 00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:48,570 we're talking about here is the 1146 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:51,240 testimony of lieutenant Ryan graves or 1147 00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:53,130 graves actually said on the Discovery 1148 00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,780 Channel was that first of all they saw 1149 00:44:03,460 --> 00:43:56,940 what they thought were radar glitches 1150 00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:06,740 just a part of the radar itself not 1151 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:09,540 necessarily natural physical object then 1152 00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:12,330 he said that other people not him so 1153 00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:15,120 things like this cube within a sphere 1154 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:18,710 and a object lying between two planes 1155 00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,910 were you there was at one of your 1156 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:23,520 colleagues I was on my colleagues so I 1157 00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:24,930 didn't hear about until they landed and 1158 00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:27,510 then he said that what he saw would he 1159 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:30,800 personally saw was just flashes of light 1160 00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:33,510 it's like I'm seeing a bright physical 1161 00:44:36,529 --> 00:44:34,319 object I'm little 1162 00:44:38,299 --> 00:44:36,539 just seeing a flash shine out there 1163 00:44:43,549 --> 00:44:38,309 really that's about it 1164 00:44:46,219 --> 00:44:43,559 yeah so we've kind of covered UFOs and 1165 00:44:50,779 --> 00:44:46,229 aliens and is there anything that you 1166 00:44:51,799 --> 00:44:50,789 wanted to ask me like specifically uh by 1167 00:44:54,949 --> 00:44:51,809 the way I don't know if I'm allowed to 1168 00:44:56,689 --> 00:44:54,959 but I had it's funny I have people that 1169 00:44:58,819 --> 00:44:56,699 wanted to ask you a couple questions so 1170 00:45:00,979 --> 00:44:58,829 I just I have some that are real simple 1171 00:45:01,459 --> 00:45:00,989 yes or no not hit pieces just like what 1172 00:45:03,049 --> 00:45:01,469 your picture 1173 00:45:07,549 --> 00:45:03,059 Louis let's do that let's do that right 1174 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:07,559 now Lincoln man and then also I will 1175 00:45:12,529 --> 00:45:09,690 talk about to you as well so uh Matt 1176 00:45:14,479 --> 00:45:12,539 Hurley he's at at UFO artwork he just 1177 00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:14,489 want to know what's the most convincing 1178 00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:16,529 case about UFOs that you've come across 1179 00:45:19,249 --> 00:45:17,910 like if there was anything you know you 1180 00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,259 know what I don't believe any of this 1181 00:45:25,339 --> 00:45:21,839 junk but if I did this would leave me 1182 00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,349 there tricky question yeah cuz I don't 1183 00:45:32,299 --> 00:45:28,319 really think particularly compelling no 1184 00:45:33,709 --> 00:45:32,309 no it's a few like oh now Beck said it's 1185 00:45:35,059 --> 00:45:33,719 just like what do you think is neat or 1186 00:45:37,009 --> 00:45:35,069 what do you think is compelling ever 1187 00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,019 that well I think I think actually 1188 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:39,599 commander flavors accounts of the 1189 00:45:44,749 --> 00:45:42,690 tic-tac is is really interesting because 1190 00:45:47,779 --> 00:45:44,759 it's very difficult to explain what he 1191 00:45:49,459 --> 00:45:47,789 might have seen other than it being some 1192 00:45:53,029 --> 00:45:49,469 kind of weird hallucination or something 1193 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:53,039 he's is Quinn quite quite detailed in 1194 00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:57,930 his his description of what he saw so 1195 00:46:01,699 --> 00:46:00,359 and it's relatively recent but he 1196 00:46:04,009 --> 00:46:01,709 because it's just named witness accounts 1197 00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:04,019 it's it's hard to go very far with it 1198 00:46:08,809 --> 00:46:06,660 but I like to see he's actually actual 1199 00:46:12,289 --> 00:46:08,819 see videos and there really aren't any 1200 00:46:13,549 --> 00:46:12,299 really good videos of UFOs so I guess 1201 00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:13,559 you know we have to fall back on 1202 00:46:17,959 --> 00:46:15,660 eyewitness accounts okay all right good 1203 00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:17,969 very good I got a lot of what did you 1204 00:46:22,219 --> 00:46:20,099 lose a bet and are you crazy 1205 00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:22,229 and it's gonna be like a minefield I'm 1206 00:46:27,799 --> 00:46:25,859 like I have one you know that won't say 1207 00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:27,809 who said this one said it be like 1208 00:46:31,609 --> 00:46:29,670 watched in the boxing video and then go 1209 00:46:35,689 --> 00:46:31,619 in with Mike Tyson I'm like I would do 1210 00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:35,699 that don't do that 1211 00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:38,910 ed Randall he wants to know do you 1212 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,209 demand this type of proof in other parts 1213 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:45,440 of your life like non phenomenal nons 1214 00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:48,370 conspiracy stuff like are you 1215 00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:50,470 you buying a car or you know what do you 1216 00:46:55,590 --> 00:46:52,660 do are you like a proof type person I 1217 00:46:57,210 --> 00:46:55,600 guess is the question really yeah if 1218 00:47:00,030 --> 00:46:57,220 you're doing something like buying a car 1219 00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:00,040 you're you're in an existing framework 1220 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:01,390 where everything is generally agreed 1221 00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:04,210 upon like we know that if you go into 1222 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:05,980 the dealership and the dealer tells you 1223 00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:09,490 like this is this is a Mustang with a v8 1224 00:47:14,310 --> 00:47:12,880 engine then you don't need to look under 1225 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:14,320 the hood to see if it's a v8 or not 1226 00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,330 because you don't check everything 1227 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,920 because you're in a framework where 1228 00:47:22,050 --> 00:47:19,440 these things are not extraordinary 1229 00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,060 because something is extraordinary if he 1230 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:23,680 told me that this this Mustang was 1231 00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:27,610 actually used real horses it had 1232 00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:29,830 miniaturised it's a 500 horsepower 1233 00:47:34,590 --> 00:47:32,110 Mustang and it's got 500 tiny horses in 1234 00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:34,600 there then I would definitely need some 1235 00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,150 you know evidence of that so it does 1236 00:47:44,580 --> 00:47:39,760 depend on the extraordinariness of the 1237 00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:44,590 claim okay and then Scott Brown he said 1238 00:47:47,790 --> 00:47:45,790 he just wants to know just a simple 1239 00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:47,800 question do you believe in the phenomena 1240 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:49,960 or not it's like and I know that's a 1241 00:47:56,340 --> 00:47:54,610 trap do you like yes or no depends how 1242 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:56,350 you answer that or percentage-wise but 1243 00:47:59,400 --> 00:47:57,850 he just simply wanted to know do you 1244 00:48:01,080 --> 00:47:59,410 believe it or not based on how about 1245 00:48:03,450 --> 00:48:01,090 based on what you've seen so far I guess 1246 00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:03,460 I don't know do your own can I think I 1247 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:04,600 think that's the question which you 1248 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:06,370 can't really give a yes or no answer to 1249 00:48:10,170 --> 00:48:07,570 because it depends on what you mean by 1250 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:10,180 it and all the phenomena if I think you 1251 00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:12,850 ask means the reality of UFOs coming 1252 00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,710 here in spaceships and visiting us you 1253 00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,960 know right people I don't think I don't 1254 00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,880 think there are are aliens coming here 1255 00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:20,800 and visiting us and I think there are 1256 00:48:25,830 --> 00:48:22,780 other explanations for it but I believe 1257 00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:25,840 in the phenomena of sometimes there are 1258 00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:28,030 unidentified flying objects and we don't 1259 00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:30,670 know what they are I don't think that 1260 00:48:35,790 --> 00:48:32,950 they have some kind of incredibly 1261 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:35,800 interesting explanation I think the most 1262 00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:37,930 of them have if not all of them are 1263 00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:40,420 pretty boring explanations the most 1264 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:42,940 interesting thing that I think is likely 1265 00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,770 is that there are some kind of 1266 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:47,200 experimental crap from time to time they 1267 00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:51,130 get mistaken for for alien spaceships 1268 00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:52,750 and that's that but as far as I would go 1269 00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,420 in terms of what I actually believe so 1270 00:48:59,550 --> 00:48:57,760 speaking of that just because when I see 1271 00:49:01,920 --> 00:48:59,560 news things and flashes my conspiracy 1272 00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:01,930 antennas go through the roof the new Tom 1273 00:49:05,549 --> 00:49:02,319 Cruise 1274 00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,559 Top Gun all right you're familiar with 1275 00:49:10,349 --> 00:49:07,599 the tr-3b the triangular black craft 1276 00:49:12,299 --> 00:49:10,359 yeah that's the dough where people think 1277 00:49:13,949 --> 00:49:12,309 they say three lights correct I'm the 1278 00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:13,959 red one in the middle and it's like a 1279 00:49:16,469 --> 00:49:15,369 big black triangle the flies overhead 1280 00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:16,479 yeah yes 1281 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:18,609 and then sometimes your giant sometimes 1282 00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:20,140 your small they're always silent right 1283 00:49:28,589 --> 00:49:25,619 and so it's been rumored that the SR 72 1284 00:49:31,169 --> 00:49:28,599 which is after the predecessor of the 1285 00:49:32,699 --> 00:49:31,179 sr-71 which still is like a incredible 1286 00:49:34,769 --> 00:49:32,709 plane people always wonder how can a 1287 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:34,779 plane be 60 years old and still be the 1288 00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:36,729 top plane right what's happened since 1289 00:49:41,909 --> 00:49:39,369 then so the rumor of deaths are 72 if 1290 00:49:46,859 --> 00:49:41,919 you look at the very last clip of the 1291 00:49:50,009 --> 00:49:46,869 Tom Cruise Top Gun no preview he's in an 1292 00:49:51,959 --> 00:49:50,019 SR 72 triangular like crap with a 1293 00:49:54,689 --> 00:49:51,969 spacesuit on just at the last second 1294 00:49:57,959 --> 00:49:54,699 just a little T right yeah it's not a 1295 00:50:01,049 --> 00:49:57,969 jet interesting interesting 1296 00:50:02,669 --> 00:50:01,059 so yeah well that's I think is probably 1297 00:50:05,429 --> 00:50:02,679 just them having a little bit of fun 1298 00:50:08,009 --> 00:50:05,439 okay then you could you know the the 1299 00:50:09,809 --> 00:50:08,019 Army is very near the military does 1300 00:50:11,489 --> 00:50:09,819 actually have its fingers in the 1301 00:50:14,579 --> 00:50:11,499 Hollywood hi they do actually influence 1302 00:50:16,769 --> 00:50:14,589 a lot of movies and I believe so you 1303 00:50:17,909 --> 00:50:16,779 could quite easily you know say that you 1304 00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,919 know something's going on there but I 1305 00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:20,079 think it's probably just them having a 1306 00:50:23,609 --> 00:50:21,369 little fun because it's an old reference 1307 00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,619 essentially fluid jet last time so they 1308 00:50:29,759 --> 00:50:25,359 got to spice up the movie it can't be a 1309 00:50:33,029 --> 00:50:29,769 yeah yeah I know I don't think you can't 1310 00:50:35,249 --> 00:50:33,039 buy anyway all right mm-hmm 1311 00:50:37,499 --> 00:50:35,259 I don't think I think they retire you 1312 00:50:41,609 --> 00:50:37,509 but so John Hudson this is the last one 1313 00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:41,619 sure I'm gonna he just wants to know was 1314 00:50:47,549 --> 00:50:45,369 there something that brought you down 1315 00:50:48,539 --> 00:50:47,559 the skeptic path like was there 1316 00:50:50,399 --> 00:50:48,549 something your life where you thought 1317 00:50:51,989 --> 00:50:50,409 was true and it turned out not to be or 1318 00:50:55,439 --> 00:50:51,999 was it just is just interesting to you I 1319 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:55,449 mean watch what what kind of it seems 1320 00:50:59,339 --> 00:50:56,650 like you're trying to be very helpful to 1321 00:51:01,169 --> 00:50:59,349 people but besides there is a personal 1322 00:51:04,229 --> 00:51:01,179 thing that you thought you know what I 1323 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:04,239 need to share this information is hard 1324 00:51:07,859 --> 00:51:05,890 to nail it down to one thing I was 1325 00:51:09,449 --> 00:51:07,869 always really interested in UFOs and go 1326 00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:09,459 some things when I was young I used to 1327 00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:11,049 read about them all the time I had lots 1328 00:51:14,729 --> 00:51:12,400 of books on them and I loved to like 1329 00:51:16,170 --> 00:51:14,739 seeing things on TV about them and then 1330 00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,180 later I Spencer 1331 00:51:20,849 --> 00:51:18,160 I'm looking into them and the kind of 1332 00:51:25,230 --> 00:51:20,859 the magic fell away the more I looked 1333 00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:25,240 into it and I got interested in just 1334 00:51:30,089 --> 00:51:27,700 finding out the real explanations for 1335 00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:30,099 things and I've talked about this in my 1336 00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:32,380 book and in other places I I used to be 1337 00:51:35,849 --> 00:51:33,670 a game programmer and spend a lot of 1338 00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:35,859 time debugging code and figuring out why 1339 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:37,720 things went wrong and that's kind of 1340 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:39,250 similar to looking at a video and 1341 00:51:43,020 --> 00:51:41,020 figuring out how might this video have 1342 00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:43,030 happened because videos are essentially 1343 00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,270 3d graphics transformed into dimensions 1344 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:48,160 and so that thing works in both 1345 00:51:52,799 --> 00:51:50,410 directions so it's just a combination of 1346 00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:52,809 things I think that just made me arrive 1347 00:51:58,079 --> 00:51:54,430 at this place 1348 00:52:00,089 --> 00:51:58,089 but I did used to be here very very much 1349 00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:00,099 hopeful that we would be having real 1350 00:52:04,650 --> 00:52:01,990 UFOs coming down when I was young read a 1351 00:52:08,370 --> 00:52:04,660 lot of science fiction and you know you 1352 00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:08,380 look to the sky but the more I listened 1353 00:52:12,329 --> 00:52:10,329 that's when the conspiracy comes in 1354 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:12,339 where we go Henry Ford's first car was 1355 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:14,530 made of cannabis and it was electric 100 1356 00:52:18,990 --> 00:52:16,690 years ago and so there's a breakaway 1357 00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:19,000 civilization that has got the tech and 1358 00:52:24,359 --> 00:52:21,460 we think and I don't believe the Sun 1359 00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,369 percent but the story goes we think tech 1360 00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:26,079 is distributed but we don't know that it 1361 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:27,760 is we don't give our cell phones to 1362 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:29,650 natives in the Amazon you know I mean 1363 00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:32,410 there there may be a we may see same 1364 00:52:38,099 --> 00:52:34,780 craft of the super elite or the super 1365 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:38,109 deep you know that's yeah yeah might be 1366 00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:41,170 their stuff yeah I think one of one of 1367 00:52:46,109 --> 00:52:43,390 my guests can have raised the idea of a 1368 00:52:49,049 --> 00:52:46,119 cabal of people keeping the not cabal 1369 00:52:51,089 --> 00:52:49,059 was the term he used a cartel a cartel 1370 00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:51,099 of people keeping the technology for 1371 00:52:56,010 --> 00:52:53,980 their own usages and bringing it in 1372 00:52:57,660 --> 00:52:56,020 slowly that the electric car thing you 1373 00:52:59,520 --> 00:52:57,670 mentioned yeah cause you did actually 1374 00:53:01,200 --> 00:52:59,530 the first cars were electric it's kind 1375 00:53:03,150 --> 00:53:01,210 of an interesting thing but I think the 1376 00:53:04,859 --> 00:53:03,160 problem the reason he didn't go much 1377 00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:04,869 further is that you can only go so far 1378 00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:06,460 with an electric car back then because 1379 00:53:12,059 --> 00:53:09,609 battery technology wasn't good it's the 1380 00:53:13,710 --> 00:53:12,069 same thing with test you know Nikola 1381 00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:13,720 Tesla's and you're not gonna get free 1382 00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:19,089 energy we're going charges so one out oh 1383 00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:22,420 wait yeah yeah even if you put back as 1384 00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:24,760 far as you can go back to the 50s they 1385 00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:27,160 had driverless cars in the 50 they just 1386 00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:29,140 didn't have the infrastructure to you 1387 00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:30,040 know they haven't 1388 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:33,630 cars they there's whole show Russians 1389 00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:35,650 you wouldn't have a Tesla type good 1390 00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:37,030 rivals car where you could just like 1391 00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:38,350 take your hands off the wheel and it was 1392 00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:40,990 no no no no but I'm just saying that 1393 00:53:46,310 --> 00:53:43,630 they were thinking about it okay a long 1394 00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:46,320 time ago so there's not a lot yeah yeah 1395 00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:49,150 so we're kind of coming up from like 1396 00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:50,920 good on oh and Alice let's talk a little 1397 00:53:57,090 --> 00:53:55,390 bit about about cue that's the end of 1398 00:54:02,160 --> 00:53:57,100 part 1 of my interview with Michael 1399 00:54:04,530 --> 00:54:02,170 episode 37 even spine part 2 just right 1400 00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:04,540 next to it in episode 38 where we're